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. >> caterpillar, uniquely involved in mining and that's moving up. i don't trust that. i don't trust that they have the quarter. >> gold corp, barrett gold are all victims of higher finding costs and less gold coming out and the market not that good. i also want to warn people that you have to be careful of the gold royalty trusts because you're a gold mine, you're not going to start a new mine right now. wow, you call your guys and say holy cow, where does it stop? david, you alluded to the etfs, the etfs did not act like -- they were driving gold and that's the tale. i didn't like that. >> watching that gld which is the largest by far was quite something yesterday. >> didn't you realize that all of those worries about the gld not being a real security when you go to the gold dealers? >> it did have that feeling which gets you wondering is there forced liquidation? >> let's not forget these are bought with leverage by certain funds and we don't have the answers right now. >> you even said this morning on twitter as someone who liquidating a client's position. >> i have taken apart c
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